Thoughts

In February, 1978, we attended a regional Witchmeet held at the Sheradon Hotel in Washington, D.C. by Gavon Frost. At the entrance, Mrs Frost tried to keep us out, claiming we were one of Ayeisha’s covens. Ayeisha was already there, but apparently the Frosts didn’t want her to have any re-enforcements to face the large number of their own people present. I met Sybil Leek, and she knew about a dream I had had the night before about the two of us, wherein she was an inn-keeper of the Mysteries and I was a teacher riding a Dragon! Unfortunately, a train had recently derailed near her home, covering her with toxic gas. She looked very ill, and died soon afterwards. The day the train wreck occurred was the target date set by Frost for his followers to attack Sybil because she had publicly called him a fraud. I wasn’t as upset about him being a fraud as I was about what he was doing to little girls with dildos in the name of the Craft. The death of Sybil Leek was a great loss for the Craft, more than most will know. The Meet turned into a circus, with Gavin Frost grabbing Ayeisha by the throat and throwing her to the floor, while Frost’s people were calling everyone else names.

http://www.angelfire.com/nt/dragon9/THECRAFT.html

These are letters that I have had for awhile. I asked the author if I may pass them on and post them. I did not receive a yes or no so I will leave out the name but publish the content. along with my questions.

From: Rhiannon
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:31 PM

Subject: Frost information

Greetings!

I happened upon your article about your time in the craft and noticed you had mentioned things about the Frosts that was very interesting. I am on a Pagan board that is protesting what the Frosts have written in their book The Good Witches Bible concerning Chapter 4 and the initiation of children.

http://pagannation.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/52076/page/2#Post52076

Is there any more information you could give about the Frosts that I can post  or pass on?

Blessings

Rhiannon

Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:45 PM

Subject: RE: Frost information

Thanks for the quick reply.

The Witches ball was suppose to have several authors like Grimassi Kraig, Moura, but because of bringing the Frost’s actions up as part of the Ball they have all pulled out because of the ritual concerning child rape and abuse and not liking the intent of it. (It was snowballed in to more than it was to be by Frost supporters)

I was hoping to find out more information and maybe have more solid ground about the Frosts doings back then and since you are not afraid to voice what happened I thought there may be more info.

It seems so many are terrified of the Frosts.

Anyway if you think of anything or have contact info for others that may be open to talk please let me know.

Blessings

To Rhiannon
I recall that the Frosts issued a newsletter of some kind to those who took their course, and in this they spoke of these things; if you can find a copy then you would have something more concrete.

He says he was there at the event you talk about Frost grabbing Ayeisha by the throat and throwing her to the floor.

This is what Shadowhawk had to say….

shadowhawk Says:
July 26th, 2007 at 9:38 am

Looks like there are conflicting reports , heres one from someone who knows Gavin and knew Sybil for years

Where did you get this information? Skip and I were there for this one. Gavin did not grab Ayeisha by the throat, he slapped her because she was in his face insisting that Washington D.C. was HER territory and Gavin was at fault because he did not get her permission to hold the Witches Washington Weekend there. He apologized and Ayeisha got in his face. He backed off and she got in his face. So he slapped her.

Then he sat down and apologized to everyone for hours.

Sybil was there but she did not accuse Gavin of anything nor did she make any remarks about him and children. She did, however, drink pink champagne because it was her birthday. She even danced a little but not much because she was short of breath. Her mother and her private secretary were there Yes, Sybil did die. Years later. Partly from old age and partly from being gassed in England during the war - which is why she was short of breath.

I actually got to talk to her the next day and her only comment was that American Wiccans were silly and shallow.
sylvanus93

I’m just trying to understand things.

Thanks

Rhiannon

From: Rhiannon

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:19 PM
To:

Subject: RE: Frost information

(chuckle) That is ok. I read between the lines.

So this Shadowhawk said he asked someone about this information and he had an email back that Gavin just slapped Ayeisha because she was up in his face.

At least he admitted to the Frosts being kind of violent.

I wish I could get just one of those news letters you were talking about.

I have searched and searched and they are not to be found on the internet. Of course I am not surprised!

If there was just some kind of police record on the Frosts or something more valid it would help our case a lot!

Sounds like a bad western doesn’t it?

Well it isn’t folks, this is a real person who has decided to let it be known that she didn’t like what a person was saying about the Frosts. Took a gun and shot what she herself said was an effigy then changed that to a poppet and once again changed it to a paper target with the intent written on it.

In her own words

medicineheart said…

Hmm…Jill Medicine Heart here– it’s funny that NO ONE has asked me take on this whole situation about the effigy thing– actually, it was more of a paper poppet to get AJ to to “cease and desist his actions”. I geared it to something particular and it worked with a bit of collatoral damage attached to it, but no biggie. My loss of my position with CUUPS as Vice President was more to save face for the ministers who are on our board more then anything else. I am still the Registry Agent for them as well as the Regional Coordinator for Pagan Pride.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=10005216AJ seems to think that I had time to build an effigy of him and go after him with an assault rifle.  First off, I didn’t HAVE the time nor the materials to do such a thing.  Heck, I didn’t even have a needle and thread to make a poppet…so I used a paper target with written intentions– it was NOT a ritualistic murder. I still have the paper target if anyone wants to see what I wrote on it.  Besides, as I have said in my blog on myspace, Target World only allows for a maximum of .22 rimfire for rifles.  Geesh, I have NOOOOOOO clue where he got this idea I built an effigy of him and did this with an assault rifle. Uh besides, I live in the ‘burbs and there is NO where around that I can fire an assult rifle.  Yes, I target shoot. It’s a hobby of mine and I compete at NRA events.  80 rounds into a paper target is nothing compared when I do practice. I am also a concealed carry license holder.

From someone else on a blog who caught her in a lie and admitting she used an effigy and witches bottle

 Mutt said…

Medicine Heart really needs to try to keep a consistent story. You yourself used the word effigy in your original explanation of what you were doing.
“Lets put it this way— my first ritual consisted on firing 80 rounds into a target that I created as an effigy of sorts. If this fundie pagan wants to play with effigy’s, I can too dammit.”
“The only damndable thing about this and the witches bottle I created for Phase Three– I had to sacrifice a jarfull of pickles so I could have a jar to work with!”

Another remark posted by Jill Medicine Heart

AJ, welcome to the Pagan Religious Reich, Dumbass.

A fireman friend of mine said that if his brain damage might have been caused by the electrocution — then the voltage wasn’t high enough. And if AJ truly suffered a stroke afterwards, the clot wasn’t big enough.            Brain Damage is SUCH a terrible thing to waste!

 I really hate having to think of giving up on Pagan Pride Day but if they are more then willing to let someone of this mental state be co-ordinator well, are we safe attending a Pagan Pride event with her?

Yes it has come down to those who feel that abuse is ok to make out that those who stand against abuse are wrong and will be tatooed forever with the big red letter A and will have the stink of standing against abuse.
As I have been informed by an e-anderson on the Frosts blog the dancing wiccans.
e-anderson said
“I know you’re too involved being a groupie for Mr. Drew to understand it, but your participation in a rite that further abused these people will be your shame forever. You will be tattooed with a scarlet letter “A,” but it won’t stand for “adultery,” it will stand for “abuser”.”
and
“Your shame and inaction for the spirit of Paganism and human evolution will hang around you like a bad stink forever.”

So I will wear the red letter A with pride because I say stop the abuse. Never again let abuse go unavenged!
I will also gladly wear the stink of standing against anyone who condones or performs abuse, or looks the other way knowing that someone is being abused.

Oh and just for shits and giggles
Shadowhawk said…
You Rhiannon are THE EVUL SCUM that must be rooted out.. you and Drew those who make BASELESS accusations against people you do not know.. You are the SCUM of the Pagan movement Not Anderson Not Me not anyone.. You arent pagan YOU ARE NAZI.. SEIG HEIL AJ DREW LORD AND HIGH EXECUTIONER

Yep shadowhawk is so intelligent he can’t even spell evil! Or I just pushed the right button on him! LOL

Having had the Frosts blog brought to my attention by my searching for a few answered I have been posting a bit on there and asking questions that I have wondered about since this whole Good Witches Bible issue has arisen.

Of course the Frosts skirt around the real questions and only answer the ones they feel important. As in how is your garden doing.
Now they did make another attempt to take the focus away from the issue by making statements of never having sex with children.

There are still questions that many have asked pertaining to the book.
Sadly it seems that the Frosts do not feel these questions important enough to answer.

Just take chapter 4 of GWB. What does it represent?
Is it historical?
Why did the Frosts use false documentation for chapter 4?
Why did the Frosts write this chapter and insist it be in the book if it wasn’t something they believed in?
Does it represent and promote sex with children?
Is it an instructional on how to prepare a child for sex?

Would you want your son or daughter to be introduced to a coven that practiced what is written in chapter4 of GWB??????

Is it wrong to expect a child under the age of 16 to have sex with a coven person just to initiate them?

Is it wrong to have sex with children?

So while doing some research on Wicca I come accross a book we have had for awhile called “Witches, True encounters with Wicca, Wizards, Covens, Cults, and Magick” by Hans Holzer

In it he writes a chapter on Wicca (more on that later in another post) and various other chapters on different topics. One is on Witch Wars. Now he doesn’t write about many. A few minor ones I think mosty to fill the chapter, one about Tim Zell, but the main one that takes up most of the chapter was one concerning the Frost and Herman Slater on page 233. It talks about it being the fiercest war between witches which started in 1973. It started with a newsletter from Herman Slater printer on “Friends of the Craft” staionary. Calling the Witches Bible “witch crap” “He suggested that that the reader buy a copyof the book, rread it it and then burn it”
Herman Slater sent Hans Holzer copied of all correspondence concerning his controversy over the Frost’s book.
It became fairly nasty with Gavin Frost sending a letter to Slater with a curse. “In our musings, the coven elders decided that a minor hex was appropriate response to your recent letter. If you have the power, the hex will be returned to us; if not, some unfortunate occurrences will befall you and your loved ones. We are not, of the group that sends undefined hexes, sohere is what you can expect. First, in the quiet of the night you will notice a pain in the chest. Then a fuzziness of vision will occur. The inability to hold your hands still will be a signal that the hex is working. P.S. There is an unfortunate side effect to this hex. If you should have heterosexual intercourse, there will be a premature ejaculation. We do appoligize for this; somehow it is inseparable fromt he rest of the package. As a dog returns to its vomit, go back to your cellar under the traitor’s shop and call on Beelzebub or any other two-bit god or goddess you wish. We have arranged a hex in such a manner that it will gradually worsen.” Then it goes on to tell how to remove the curse.
The chapter also mentions an Alice Frost and an Emily Frost of which I have not researched as to who these two may be.

It seems that some of the other things I have read about the Frosts throwing hexes and having a history of violence are being confirmed more and more.

So this guy called Rocketgeek kept demanding images of chapter 4 of the Good Witches Bible by the Frosts since it seemed Rocketgeek couldn’t believe what was typed even though it was on several web sites.

So this Percival342 decided to put up a couple images from that chapter. I put these up here knowing they are not infringement of copyright law since it is part of a discussion and is less than 10% of the book.

So this is for those who have doubts as to what is there is real and to those who have doubts if it is still there.

Check out the links
(sorry they are not clickable but I can’t get them to do that on wordpress)

http://www.freewebs.com/percival342/pg65.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/percival342/pg66.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/percival342/warning.jpg

As I had promised I would give a review on what the Frosts used to justify their breaking of little girl’s hymens with the Roots of Civilization.

Let me start of by saying that it was very well backed up and everything was very well justified as the reasoning and conclusions.

There are many chapters to the book. The one the Frosts use is the baton de commandment to use a phallus to have a young girl stretch her vagina to prepare it for sex to become part of the Coven of the School of Wicca.
The baton de commandment was used for 2 things.
1. To use on animals to keep them under control.
2. A form of counting as in planting seasons and birthing or animals.

Later in the book there is a chapter on phalluses but they are not used in anyway on anyone. They are only a symbol mostly worn around the necks of women. Sometimes the “trinket” is used in ritual to be blessed and a few other things.
It is never and has never been used as a sexual device.
Read again
It is not used as a sexual device!

So what the Frosts claim as an old ritual from this book is completely false on their part.
I will bet they didn’t read the book. They may have looked at the pictures and drew a bad conclusion for that.
The book in no way validates the use of phalluses as a sexual tool.
READ AGAIN
The book in no way validates the use of phalluses as a sexual tool. It is used in counting the lunar cycles only.